I saw you watch Radiant Office. In the TV show Guesthouse Daughters, the actress Jang Shin Young said she was sorry for Hoya because they will have a romance and she is older than him. I think he’s lucky, she’s really beautiful !

Someone told me that on twitter, and while I’m happy to confirm it isn’t all in my head (that looooook!), I’m also happy that I didn’t know about it before hand so I could be pleasantly surprised to be smacked in the face with it and become a devoted servant to this ship (I’m still gunning for captain, though).

Jang Shin Young is a year younger than Park Hee Bon (his office crush in Super Family 2017), and I think both women are gorgeous! Hoya’s a lucky duck to have a noona romance with each of these actresses.

Hi, thank you for your last answer about handsome oppa. I’m glad that you liked his role in Voice. I think it’s the best he ever had and personally the only one in which i enjoyed his acting. He was really the best actor for playing Mo Tae Gu. Speaking of the devil, I’m curious about one more thing: what is your favourite scene (if you have one) for this character? For the other leads?

Ahhh, good question, although I’ll probably struggle to answer because I’m a love’em & leave’em kind of girl so I’ve already forgotten a ton about this show even though it’s barely been a week.

As for Tae-gu’s most memorable scene, hmm… how shallow would I be to say it’s whenever he’s in the bath? Kidding! Kinda… Honestly, probably just about anything from the last couple of episodes would do, especially when he finally got to act in the same room as everyone else. Probably his stand-off with Jin-hyuk as Jin-hyuk threatened him to shoot.

For Kwon-joo, ahhhhh, it’s hard to decide, since honestly a lot of her scenes run together for me since so much of the time she was in the call center talking to everyone over the radio. But the moment she had to break the news about Choon-ok’s death to her brother had a lot of understated emotion in it, which is all thanks to the lovely Lee Ha Na.

For Jin-hyuk, I’ll forever adore that lowkey scene when he’s like, “hey, we all make mistakes, don’t beat yourself up about it. I forgive you.” I can’t even remember what case it was, but it was somewhere in the middle, and Kwon-joo was super apologetic that she had heard wrong. It was such a small moment, but it meant a lot to me when it came to figuring out his character, and it felt like the tipping point of their working relationship when he went from angrily thinking she let his wife’s killer get away to deciding that he was finally going to trust her and treat her with respect as a coworker and boss.

For Dae-shik, no question, the scene in ep 15 where Jin-hyuk confronts him about being the mole. Baek Sung Hyun was phenomenal in that scene.

Even though there was woefully not enough of Hyun-ho and Eun-soo, and what we did get was mostly wasted exposition and PPL, I loved their first meeting when she shut him down and was willing to report him for sexual harassment because he wanted to know how to hit on girls in Russian. I think I also loved that scene because it gives me the sensation of what dynamic these two characters could have had if only the writer had allowed a little more opportunity for character development. Although Yesung with the puppy deserves a little love, even if it wasn’t necessary to the actual plot. But it was dang cute.

“I bailed on this at ep __ for no real reason except I lost momentum and there wasn’t anything that made me want to keep watching. I did enjoy it at least until that far.” Basically me about 35 dramas since 2014 and I have no words to describe how guilty I feel about this. I simply can’t watch any drama anymore and I’m feeling incredibly bad about it. Which is sad is that I can’t delete those stuff of my computer because I always have that feeling I will miss it even though I know I won’t.

While I can understand the sadness that comes when an interest that used to bring you joy no longer does, I don’t think there’s a reason you should feel bad about dropping a show. I scatter partially-watched shows in my wake constantly even as my “to watch” list grows and grows, and I know I will never watch even a quarter of those shows just because of the endless output of newer shows that catch my attention.

I’ve just popped over to MDL and there are 24 shows that I’ve dropped since 2014, and if I honestly assess my “on hold” list, I should probably add at least another dozen to that… which brings me about to your total. That’s also not counting the multitude of shows that never even made the list because I knew I wouldn’t watch them.

That’s not to belittle your issue. I just really don’t want you to feel guilty about deciding dramas no longer are satisfying or bring you joy. It could be just a phase – 2015 was a rough year for me where there were only a couple of dramas I truly enjoyed, and I’m getting the sensation that 2017 will be the same. But as you know from the sentence you quoted, I also willy-nilly drop dramas that I actually enjoy (although that’s more due to my poor time management than anything else).

Live-watching is really a chore for me – I’m much more content to wait and binge a completed show years later, but then sometimes I get caught up in this foolish idea that I need to keep current on dramas just because… I have to… even though honestly in the end no one cares about what I’m watching or not watching.

I will forever maintain that dramas are first and foremost entertainment. They should be enjoyed as a fun hobby and pastime. I know the internet loves to take TV way too seriously, but honestly, they’re just TV shows! They’re made to entertain you and give you joy, and if that’s not working any more, then you should give yourself the freedom to drop as many as you’d like, or not even start watching in the first place. I mean, there are a gazillion dramas on my “to watch” list, but I’m happily satisfied by using my TV time right now (as in, literally right now, that’s playing on the screen as I’m typing this) watching cooking competition shows. Why? Because they make me happy and that’s what I want to watch.

Again, I really, really, really want to impress on you that there is absolutely no reason for you to feel guilty. It’s not like you get a gold star for every drama you watch. There’s no security guard in drama heaven that will deny you entry because you haven’t checked off enough titles in your watch list (but if there is a drama heaven do I get to spend it with Handsome Oppa? Because that’s important theological drama question I need the answer to).

Finally, here’s a stupid attempt to answer a problem you might not actually have: maybe consider getting an external storage device and moving those dramas onto it. That way you’ll have it handy if you want to watch them, but they won’t be taking up space on your computer and you won’t see the files as a constant reminder of what you feel you ought to watch and enjoy.

Ok, I will be really honest in here because I follow this blog for awhile. In OCN’s Voice, are women the only victims? Because I watched episode one when it aired but the idea of having only women being killer put me off. It seems to be an interesting drama, so I would like to know. I’m tired of the serial killer of women subplot, and to me it has ruined Strong Woman Do Bong Soon to the point I couldn’t pass through episode 3 (plus the weird mix of comedy, romance and brutal mystery).

Short answer: no, women are not the only victims.

Longer answer that attempts not to spoil too much: while the main killer definitely leaves quite a few bodies in his wake, there are just as many named women characters (that is, they have names and interact with the leads) as named male characters that are killed. While there are certainly aspects of the show that could be considered problematic (there’s a subplot that involves a baddie-of-the-week profiteering off of rape, although that’s not shown on-screen), the main killer simply kills those who are hindrances to him, no matter their gender. But there are definitely many brutal murders on this show, which I can understand being an issue for someone. Not all the deaths are due to the main killer, but all seem evenly divided along gender lines nonetheless.

Thank you for your complete answer about why romance on Voice: i didn’t expect so much. I don’t agree with your view but i really enjoyed to read it. I also found one of your old post about handsome oppa and your dream role for him, and i wonder now do you regret that he played Mo Tae Gu/did Voice?

Aw, thanks for reading my ramblings, and I guess we’ll agree to disagree.

I don’t know what I said was my dream role for Handsome Oppa (I, uh, say a lot of things, especially when those cheekbones are involved…), but I definitely don’t regret his decision to play the villain on Voice

Not only was Voice the most successful original show OCN has ever produced (at least, ratings-wise, which is always the most important thing to the executives), but Handsome Oppa has managed to do an incredible job making the role his own. He’s both captivating and legitimately terrifying. He manages to hold his own with more seasoned actors, especially big names like Jang Hyuk. Also, a lot of his scenes are ones where he’s the only one in the room, which means he has to rely only on his acting skills, since there’s no one else for him to react to. I think this role has shown how he’s grown as an actor over the years, and he has every reason to be proud of it.

All in all, I’m very pleased with his role in this drama, and I’m hoping this gets him more exposure for other projects, since having to wait every three years for him to show up on my screen is more painful than a kettlebell to the skull. Or, ah, something like that… yeah…

I am hoping his next project is a little more light-hearted, though. I know he seems to like odd-duck roles, but really, I could use a decent rom-com – or at least something more comedic just in general. I feel like he gets type-cast as a brooding mystery guy a lot, but I know he’s capable of being adorkably hilarious and that’s a side I’d love to see more from him. Really, whatever role it is, it just needs to be as opposite from Tae-gu as possible, because he’s just a little too convincing as a murderous psychopath. *shiver*

Somehow love has been so idealized as positive and healthy form of bond, that the reality which is that lot of romantic relationships are dysfunctional on one level or another is denied. In the case of Kwon Joo and Tae Gu, the romance is impossible: she will never accept him but the attraction is real on his side (the writer pushed it since ep11) and it humanizes him a little bit. So playing with this fantasy makes sense, is not harmful and wouldn’t be a first in fiction…

The issue I have is that people assume because there is attraction, it must mean romantic (or sexual). Tae-gu is definitely fascinated by Kwon-joo, but it’s because he views her as an elusive prey. For someone who seems to have had a fairly easy life when it comes to killing people (I mean, when you come right down to it, his father literally buys “unwanted” people for him hunt and kill, just as though they were toys), here is one that is intelligent and fights back. In fact, I think a large part of his giddy glee when he saw her wall of evidence and red string is the discovery that she has also been hunting him. She is no normal prey.

[More after the jump! My apologies to mobile users, and if you’re coming to this on my tumblr page and not your dash, Anon, you’ll probably need to click the post to get the rest of the answer since this theme doesn’t always put a “more” link when I use it on an ask.]

But she is still just that to him – prey. I can’t agree that his attraction to her “humanizes” him because the show has taken great pains to convince us that he’s not really human. He’s been repeatedly called a monster and the devil (and, to be honest, it’s easy to believe he is just that when he has taken such joy in killing anyone that has possibly hurt him or stood in his way).

To him, Kwon-joo is not a person. She is something to be toyed with, to be teased and tormented until he finally sees fit to give the final blow.

I actually think it’s pretty interesting that the show hasn’t placed him in any romantic or sexual light*. Even though he’s a young and handsome chaebol (at least, to those who don’t know about his murderous tendencies), he’s not been shown partying around with a gaggle of women, or even just one woman. When Jin-hyuk looked into his past, there was no record of a scandal, and I presume that includes scandals with women (or men – hey, I’m not gonna judge, but I know Dramaland and its heteronormative default). I very much doubt he often brings dates home, since he seems more interested in bringing dead bodies home instead. 

That’s not to say Tae-gu has no sexual desire, but it’s notable that his idea of power and dominance is through straight-up brutality and not through sex. He’s killed women before, but from what we’ve seen, hasn’t tried to rape them. Instead, he gets his jollies from the hunt and the sensation of crushing their skulls.

Which, again, is why I give a serious, serious side-eye to those who want to ship him with Kwon-joo. She is an amazing woman who’s worked hard to get where she is, even when no one else believed her. She’s careful and smart as she figures out not only how to save those under the Golden Time (okay, maybe not that careful and smart because c’mon stop going to creepy empty hallways without back-up!), but also in accumulating information that gradually lead her to discover that Tae-gu is the killer she’s been searching for all these years. To her, Tae-gu is the monster that we all know he is. He killed her father, he’s killed so many others – he’s ruthless and shameless. He’s evil and he must be brought to justice.

So for someone to go “eeeee, I ship it!” just because both characters have an obsessive determination to hunt the other feels like it trivializes just how much Tae-gu has hurt and damaged her life. Not just that he killed her father, but thanks to the cover-up by his father and Sang-tae, he made her lose her job and respect within the community. She was treated as a laughingstock and something to be scorned. Yes, she is strong and resilient, but he ruined her life. And he plans to ruin it even more, just for kicks. He knew that his visit to her apartment would scare her, and yet he couldn’t hide his laughter. That is what makes him happy – making her fear for her life.

While I don’t know how the final two episodes will play out, at this point in the show, there’s really no way that Tae-gu can be redeemed. There’s no “oh my mother abandoned me when I was a baby boo-hoo” story that can possibly excuse his murderous behavior. At this point, the only truly “honorable” thing he could do is either confess to his crimes and spend a lifetime in prison, or fall on his sword (kettlebell?) and kill himself.

Perhaps if this writer spent more time developing the characters, there could be some hope. But as it stands right now, he has shown himself to be nothing but pure evil. There is no goodness in him. There is no saving him.

It is true, though, that relationships are inherently messy and so many of them are filled with bad decisions. Maybe I would actually like rom-coms more if they didn’t try to convince me that two diametrically opposed people would suddenly fall in love and live happily ever after, just because the writers said so. Maybe I would suffer less from second-lead syndrome if the male leads weren’t persistently written in such a way that I would instinctively label them as abusive (either emotionally or psychologically, and even sometimes physically), and wish the woman would run the hell away and never look back.

Then again, I think “love conquers all” is utter bullshit, especially with romance. I will, however, happily accept more stories of love that is familial and platonic, because, to me, those are the most endearing and sustaining. That’s why I give only a vague side-eye to those who want to ship Kwon-joo with Jin-hyuk. Part of me understands it – they’re the leads, they’re thrown together, they have to learn to trust and rely on each other. It makes sense, since most dramas would probably go there anyway. But I love that there’s been no hint of romance between them, simply because there aren’t enough platonic male-female friendships represented in media, especially in mutual work environments (where platonic friendship actually makes the most sense, since dating in the workplace is incredibly messy and often ends in disaster, although you wouldn’t know it by most of Dramaland’s offerings).

So I’m not saying “kill it with fire” to a Kwon-joo/Jin-hyuk ship because I can see how these two co-workers, thrown together in a multitude of intense situations as they pursue the same goal, could be appealing to someone. Jin-hyuk has learned to respect Kwon-joo, and is not out to sabotage her. He actually supports her and listens to her.

I am saying “kill it with fire” to a Kwon-joo/Tae-gu ship because it pits her with someone who doesn’t see her as human and only sees her as a thing to amuse him until he decides she’s no longer worth his time. It diminishes who she is as a woman or even simply as a person. He is a monster, and I’m repulsed by the unspoken implication that she could “save” him because of the attraction (or supposed “love”) he has for her. Not that’s what everyone thinks when they consider this so-called ship, but it is the standard representation when we see this kind of dynamic in fiction – the “bad boy” that the woman will save through the power of her sparkly “I’m not like the other girls” vagina. (Again, Tae-gu is not some moody, broody chaebol/cursed vampire/hurt momma’s boy. He is an unrepentant psychopath who gets joy out of tormenting the most challenging prey he’s yet encountered.)

I get it, though. I know that it’s somehow so easy to default to crackling chemistry and want to ship all the things, no matter what, no matter how terrible they are. Some of the best (worst?) ships come from this.** The attraction is there, even if it is only sadistically one-sided. And even though I don’t read fanfiction, I know there are enough of the “oh hell no” ships out there that people are gonna ship what they’re gonna ship, no matter the logistics or actual characterizations. Maybe someone’s cooking up a theory that says Tae-gu will eventually realize the error of his ways and spend the rest of his life in prison pining for the one woman who got away. Or maybe someone’s embracing the insanity and is like “this shit is fucked up but damn the sex is hawt.”

In the end, I guess I’m just too fond of Kwon-joo as a character and a woman, and everything she represents in terms of her intelligence and desire to help people even as she longs for justice in her own life, to see her linked romantically to a murdering psychopath – no matter how gorgeous his cheekbones are.

*of course, as we all well know, Kim Jae Wook is hella sexy and I’m not gonna deny I’d probably do some terrible things for a few minutes in heaven with him, but that’s the actor, not the character.

**for example, even though I know, instinctively, that these two are terrible for each other and will forever end in tears, you can tear the LoVe*** from my cold dead hands. They are Epic and will always be Epic.

***Logan/Veronica from Veronica Mars, who I immediately started shipping**** from the first “Annoy, tiny blonde one, annoy like the wind” and still get a little tingly from that first kiss as the camera cranes outward and “Momentary Thing” plays.

****and I suppose someone could argue that “well you ship [problematic thing] so stop being a cry-baby about other people shipping [problematic thing], and besides, it’s just fiction*****, so who cares what other people do with fictional characters?” To which I say “dude this is tumblr I will overthink whatever the hell I want and also women should not be shipped with brutal psychopaths who only see them as a means for their sadistic pleasure, especially when those psychopaths have totally and unrepentantly ruined those women’s lives and will kill them after they’ve had their fun.******

*****yeah, it’s just fiction, but stories matter and if I can smash one patriarchal belief that a woman can save a broken and screwed up guy just because he lurves her then I think I will have fulfilled a purpose that I didn’t know I had but I will gladly accept.

******is2fg no one tell me there’s a fanfic out there where Tae-gu is revealed to be a necrophiliac bc there’s not enough brain bleach out there to unsee that image even though it would probably make total sense, dammit.

I think you stop watching the Goblin but if you like Jung Hae In, he played the first crusch of Eun Tak and has scenes with the Golbin and the Grim Reaper. He’s just in 2 episodes (or 3 ?)

Yeah, I did stop watching, but I saw his cameo! I was thrilled to see my beloved Tak as a baseball player. I’d have no complaints if he were my first crush because he was super adorbs.

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